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My Diocese Chrism mass

My Diocese is very small and we don't have a lot if any in the way of "Trads". We don't have any TLMs in the Diocese and one small ICKSP. However it seems even we are now being attacked for not being "Latin" enough. This hits very close to home for me and it's my first "real life" experience with this crowd. The Chrism Mass had a very orthodox and simple demonstration of our Native American Catholic brothers in sisters in the Diocese. The online hate crowd found it, and is now mercilessly attacking it in the comments on YouTube. They are posting their ignorance for all to see. It is very sad . If you have a moment please go post an encouraging word to the Superior Diocese I would appreciate it. https://www.youtube.com/live/cHfzUz8JdZI?si=5GjZe3zSJWlCyE6B

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Very Informative video about incultration.

This was a great introduction to Native American Incultration in the Catholic Church in case anyone is interested. https://www.youtube.com/live/WXOZnNrNLUA?si=Cy9AgV_jxXOfURSm

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A lot of the comments in the YouTube video are saying “pagan shamanism” and what-not. The voice is low, but the prayer is most certainly to God.


I transcribed as best I could the first couple of prayers. (The audio is not the clearest but with computer volume turned up it was mostly discernible.)


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Dear Creator and Maker, help us to walk straight [unclear] the path of life and hear your voice and see your beauty in creation and creatures alike. Give us the strength and courage, our Creator, to perceive the sacredness of life, of Mother Earth, and of all creation. Give us the vision to see and admire Your beautiful creation.


We face the East.


Creator God,…

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hiwtyl37
hiwtyl37
3月25日

Thanks for posting this. It's real simple - If the local Bishop has approved it, then that's all folks. It's what you call a Universal Church! God does not care about our cultural attachments. He cares about saving souls, and His Church is opened to everyone.

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@Halley M so I do want to point out that this isn’t really orthodox…I’ve worked with indigenous Catholics quite a bit, and grew up with some of their communities, and they certainly would not feel comfortable doing this: 1. Becuase the music used is not inculturated devotional music, 2. Because there are women on the altar, 3. Because it doesn’t fit with the liturgy. I also happen to know some of the commenters personally, they aren’t trads.

The rest of the Mass seems fine. There is a fine line between valid annd orthodox inculturation and problematic accretion, and this, based on what is presented visually, falls closer to the second.

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hiwtyl37
hiwtyl37
3月25日
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Thanks for a very reasonable post, but the local Bishop has the authority to decide which side of the line your 1,2,3,...fall on, so I don't understand how you can make a judgement about it one way or the other.

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Clelia M
Clelia M
3月24日

This is super interesting, I really like the explanation in the screenshots you shared. Is your parish the one that TM did a video on ? This sounds familiar.

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Halley M
Halley M
3月25日
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No clue don't watch TM.

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Halley M
Halley M
3月24日

These are screenshots of the parts in the document described that were done before this mass.

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